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Friday, January 29th, 2010
8:41 am
[slim_ivory_rose]
Add Me Veg - Active Community!
Add Me Veg - an 'Add Me' community aimed at vegetarian and vegan friends on livejournal!

addmeveg
http://community.livejournal.com/addmeveg/profile

I love my omnivore friends, but sometimes its nice to have a few fellow veg*ns on one's friends' list, swap recipes, discuss dinner ideas, and share ideals about animal welfare and animal protection
Not to mention, not have to explain yourself about your dietary choices (unless you wish to). ;)


Promises to be a drama free, non-snarky, fun space!

Looking forward to seeing you over there!!
Friday, November 21st, 2008
5:24 pm
[dystopiate]
Sneaking vegan versions of food to omnivores
Okay, so I have made plenty of vegan recipes for things like brownies or pancakes and served them to my family. My mom is relatively open-minded, and she tries to be objective. She usually tells me that they taste just as good as a regular brownie would taste. Yet, when she makes the brownies, she still uses eggs. Why does she do that when she knows vegan ones are just as good? It's not even more work or more money to make them my way! I've proven this to her.

On a related note, my dad is not open-minded. If he knows that something is vegan, he won't touch it, assuming that it must be terrible without those lucullan, ambrosial dairy by-products, as if that's what makes the food good. And my dad isn't even big on dairy products in the first place!

Anyway, Thanksgiving is coming up, and I said I'd eat the turkey if my mom bought a free range one that I approved before purchase. My dad then said that we'd have to buy two turkeys if we did that, assuming that the unnatural hormones and such are what make his meat taste good. Well, he's wrong. I know hunters that say that the meat they personally kill tastes a million times better than anything you could buy at a store, and it's no wonder why. That is natural meat.

So, here's an ethical question, and if it's inappropriate for this community, I apologize, and please just refer me to a more felicitous one.

Would it be wrong to volunteer to prepare the whole Thanksgiving meal, and make as many as possible things vegan versions and use a free range turkey and withhold the fact that I've prepared the foods this way until after they eat them? Or is that dishonest and .... demagogic? I feel kind of like a cozener, like trying to trick people so that I can impose my beliefs on them. However, it probably won't make a difference anyway. They'll admit that the vegan foods are just as good and then go right on making their foods with eggs and shit, like my mom. So ... my cause is better off by tricking them just because fewer eggs and junk will be used for the meal. Right? Or what?

X-posted: freegans, cheapvegan, vegandebate, vegancooking, vegan_debate
Thursday, February 22nd, 2007
5:49 am
[dystopiate]
my thoughts.
hi, i was wondering if there are any other meat-eating vegans out there?

i don't really know a better way to describe it. i don't eat any dairy or eggs, and i prefer to refrain from products tested on animals and furs and such things. i'm not a complete abstainist for a few reasons. one, i don't believe that boycotting something is an appropriate way to deal with something you're against. no one cares what i, as one individual, buy. two, i don't really like the idea of supporting a corporate monopoly (or go ahead and contradict me- polyopoly). vegan products tend to be made by the same few companies. three, i believe that meat is natural, and i'm not against it, just a lot of the means of production surrounding the industry. four, i like the taste of certain lean, fresh meats, and i feel that i am healthier if i do consume them.

dairy, on the other hand, is completely inexcusable. humans are the only mammal that consumes milk from another animal. i don't even understnad how it possible could have occurred to someone to drink cow milk. the cows only naturally produce enough milk for baby cows. dairy is so fake. the cows are given all these artificial hormones and then hooked up to machines all day to suck their udders. sick. at least beef cows get to graze sometimes. dairy cows are also more commonly fed a solution containing cow blood, which leads to mad cow disease. dairy products all are also fatty, taste disgusting, and somehow manage to give me simultaneous diarrhea and constipation. even stuff with a milk-byproduct low on the ingredient list can make me sick. why on earth would anyone want something to taste creamy? sick. most people are lactose intolerant and don't even know it. i know, because i smelled their farts in jail. since they've never tried going without dairy for long enough, they just think that's how their digestive system is supposed to feel. but it's not. our bodies don't even produce the enzymes necessary to digest dairy after a certain age. i realized i was lactose intolerant, because i was vegan for a while. then i gave it up. when i ate meat again, i felt fine. when i ate dairy, i got incredibly sick. being able to digest dairy healthily is a genetic mutation.

eggs are also disgusting.

i don't feel that pure veganism is quite natural. vitamin b-12 is unaccounted for in a pure vegan diet, except with this one particular seaweed. humans don't live under the sea, so in a natural environment, vitamin b-12 would be lacking in a vegan diet, and that's not healthy.

also, i feel that there's no harm in consuming something that has already been paid for and would go to waste if i didn't eat it. i.e. if i Dumpster-dived something or if it's sitting around a house getting ready to rot. this is the "fregan" philosophy. seeing as that i don't pay for anything except for drugs, the meat industry doesn't profit off of me anyway.

so who agrees?! let's talk about how much righter than everyone else we are!
Tuesday, March 21st, 2006
11:08 pm
[mixnmetalnwordz]
Seriously, how bad could it be?
I want to make a pop up book that gently tells the story of a chicken who grows up in the factory farming system. I wouldn't have graphic pop ups showing chickens getting beheaded or getting their beaks seared off, and I even have a happy ending planned. It's for intermediate creative writing; a class where my teacher is very open to students doing their own thing. Should I be crucified for even having this idea?

Current Mood: am i a bad person?
Monday, January 9th, 2006
3:42 am
[droxyl]
America: hell for animals, heaven for lazy people.
If someone buy animal-tested cosmetics, cleaning products and eat factory farm produced meats, they are a lazy son of a bitch. It is that plain and simple. Big farms in America conduct business in a way that would get them shut down in other countries. Companies like Colgate and Proctor and Gamble do nothing short of torture to millions of animals every year.




No, this isn't a picture from a farm in China.

These cages are what breeding pigs, which are as intelligent as dogs, are confined to for their entire lives. The only state that's made this unlawful is Florida. Americans should be ashamed.



America also makes it lawful for laboratories to shoot pesticides and drain cleaner into the stomachs of rats and other animals. Why, when so many countries have stopped doing the LD50 test? Because people who are against animal rights are lazy, that's why!


America is full of lazy, spoiled, horrible people who don't care about any animal that isn't their rhinestone collar wearing toy poodle. PeTA may be dumb as hell, but they're the only ones here doing anything about this.
Sunday, October 16th, 2005
9:08 pm
[cacophonous_joy]
Vegitarians are Pussies
at least according to Samba Grill.

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Friday, December 10th, 2004
2:57 pm
[goblinbrodie]
Veganism bad news for animals?
My brother has a very interesting argument against veganism that has quite taken away my certainty that I'm doing the right thing in attempting to convert from vegetarianism to veganism. His logic runs roughly thus:

The dairy industry and the egg industry are dominated by people who don't do the ethical thing, and treat the animals extremely badly. There are a smaller number of companies who are trying to do the right thing, and have free range chickens or cows that are treated well or whatever.
So, if a smallish number of people - and vegans are a definite minority - decide they are going to avoid eggs and dairy altogether, they are taking away the market for the free range eggs and such. It's not going to be the big companies that treat animals badly that suffer, says my brother. It will be the smaller, ethical producers. And in slightly lowering the demand for that product, all I do is make the companies want to cut costs. And who can cut costs? The crueller types, by shoving more animals into smaller cages and doing all those reprehensible things that such people do.
Therefore, by becoming vegan you contribute to animals being worse off. So says my brother.

I no longer know what to think.
Friday, November 26th, 2004
5:22 pm
[themercymachine]
Apologies
Wrong forum.
Friday, February 27th, 2004
6:51 pm
[rykk]
A question for any vegans...how is it that veganism is a healthy diet if you have to use supplements in order to survive? Isn't a healthy, natural diet one that can stand alone, without using supplements created in a lab somewhere?
Tuesday, February 10th, 2004
12:07 am
[minteckers]
Question
Assume you have a "cowboy" that lives on a ranch and spends his days moving cattle to new pastures and making sure they are all healthy. He uses all of the cow when they are slaughtered, making clothes, rugs, furniture, food, jewely, etc.

What makes this evil cowboy that is raping the land and murdering cows any different from American Indians and their buffalo. With the exception of the cowboy not literally worshiping the cow, and literally making his house out of its skin, the relationship seems fairly similar, yet one is revered and one is damned.

Is it the theoretical "Indian only taking what it needs" vs. "Cowboy taking what he needs in addition to what he needs to stay alive in this world of taxes, houses, bills, etc"

Is it that the Indians didn't confine the buffalo and raise them to be genetically superior (larger, heavier, more meat per animal thus requiring fewer animals to be slaughtered)?

One can hardly argue that methods of slaughtering today are far superior to those of the Natives, running them off of cliffs or riddling them with arrows is hardly common practice in the cattle industry...

Again though, before you reply, take into consideration what I've said, and that it doesn't include factory farming.
Thursday, February 5th, 2004
2:24 pm
[blackperson]
Sooo... what's the deal with those canine teeth?

And all that acidy stomach juice is needed to break down the mighty chemicals of... apples?

Explain.
Tuesday, February 3rd, 2004
11:13 pm
[ddarklighter]
Tiger Yan (terminal_frost) replied to your LiveJournal comment in which you said:

"Thus, although some think we are one and we act as if we are one, human beings are not natural herbivores. When we kill plants to eat them, they end up killing us because their flesh, which contains not vitamin B-12 and stuff, was never intended for sole consumption by human beings, who are natural OMNIVORES."

- Derek Darklighter, M.D., Lord of all Creation, February 3, 2004.
Their reply was:
When we kill plants to eat them, they end up killing us because their flesh, which contains not vitamin B-12 and stuff, was never intended for sole consumption by human beings, who are natural OMNIVORES.

Not to mention the fact that, as a kingdom, plants are full of toxins designed to keep animals and other organisms from eating them.

And many of these toxins are lethal to humans.

The only parts of plants that were meant to be eaten by animals are those that are used in reproduction: fruit and nectar. Everything else the plant would rather we not munch on.

There's a big difference between an organism that has toxin-producing glands, and toxic flesh.
11:09 pm
[ddarklighter]
Tiger Yan (terminal_frost) replied to your LiveJournal comment in which you said:

"Thus, although some think we are one and we act as if we are one, human beings are not natural herbivores. When we kill plants to eat them, they end up killing us because their flesh, which contains not vitamin B-12 and stuff, was never intended for sole consumption by human beings, who are natural OMNIVORES."

- Derek Darklighter, M.D., Lord of all Creation, February 3, 2004.
Their reply was:
When we kill plants to eat them, they end up killing us because their flesh, which contains not vitamin B-12 and stuff, was never intended for sole consumption by human beings, who are natural OMNIVORES.

Not to mention the fact that, as a kingdom, plants are full of toxins designed to keep animals and other organisms from eating them.

And many of these toxins are lethal to humans.

The only parts of plants that were meant to be eaten by animals are those that are used in reproduction: fruit and nectar. Everything else the plant would rather we not munch on.

There's a big difference between an organism that has toxin-producing glands, and toxic flesh.
Saturday, January 31st, 2004
6:55 pm
[minteckers]
I'm game for mod.
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